Obama Supports FISA Legislation, Angering Left

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) today announced his support for a sweeping intelligence surveillance law that has been heavily denounced by the liberal activists who have fueled the financial engines of his presidential campaign. (story)
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avengingturnip on 2008-06-21 11:17:06
The 'change' candidate?
  • 78 diggs
    NoStoppingUs on 2008-06-21 18:26:50
    well...

    yes. you see, he changes his positions quite often, so technically he IS the 'change' candidate..

    heres a nice little collection of obama flip flops. it's incredible that his sheepish followers havent caught on to his game..

    http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/06/collect ...
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      ZenMojo on 2008-06-21 20:26:38
      Public financing wasn't a flip-flop. He said he would "pursue an agreement" and repeatedly reserved the option to opt out if the Republicans refused to withdraw 527s. The Republicans proceeded to air three ads during the primary through 527s attacking him before the first Democrat-funded 527 even came out.

      Last week, his counsel met with John McCain's counsel around the time of Tim Russert's funeral and John McCain's counsel told him that there was nothing to discuss on public financing. John McCain's counsel tells a different story, and while he won't say what they discussed he enforces that it had nothing to do with public financing.

      Mayhaps John McCain's lawyer is full of shit. But lawyers never lie, now do they?

      Nonetheless, it is important to remember that John McCain is FORCED to go into public financing. While there is no quorum to clear him of his obligations for using taxpayer money as collateral on a loan back in 2007, John McCain is facing a prison sentence of up to 5 years for fraud according to FEC regulations if he doesn't take public financing.

      In short, Obama said he would take public financing if the Republicans didn't try to play through 527s. McCain had to take public financing anyway or be thrown in the slammer for 5 years, so he had no interest in reining in his attack dogs. Therefore, Obama decided to opt out of public financing.

      While the media is obsessed with this story because it tarnishes the silver halo around Obama, it requires a lot of historical amnesia of the events covered in the last 6 months and clever editing of Barack Obama's questionnaire, even outright dismissal of the actual words in it.
      • 0 diggs
        misguidedmonkey on 2008-06-21 21:01:23
        You're a fucking sad piece of shit. Why can't you agree that Obama is just a fucking puppet that's bought and paid for? He's not perfect. Get your tongue out of his cornbread hole and accept that he's a crooked politician. CHANGE doesn't describe Obama's agenda. This word "change" was pushed by his campaign advisers and it stuck as his slogan. And you fucking shitheads fell for it. He's a fucking empty suit like all the other top tier candidates.
      • 3 diggs
        Spudster on 2008-06-21 23:13:53
        Actually it's pretty well acknowledged that Obama did NOT try to get a public financing agreement with McCain.

        Additionally, the threats of 527's against Obama this year is so far low. There has not been one serious presidential campaign 527 set up to attack Obama yet.
    • 1 diggs
      CaptZomborg on 2008-06-22 02:44:34
      I understand all political candidates are going to change their minds about things on a regular basis (except Ron Paul).

      The problem is when it's TOO regular. Like McCain saying two different things in a matter of days.

      My choices are basically between Obama and McCain. And I'm not voting for a fear mongering biggot who has almost racked up more McCain-isms than Bush has Bush-isms.
  • 35 diggs
    angryfirelord on 2008-06-21 19:22:28
    Yes, change as in, "I'm going to lose all of that change in my pocket because now I have to pay for a 28% capital gains tax!"
    • 22 diggs
      foxfire1311 on 2008-06-21 21:35:01
      Why is there something wrong with wanting to keep the money I earn?
      • 21 diggs
        fromonesource on 2008-06-21 22:07:09
        nothing at all, the communist collectivists just want to make you feel bad about it
      • 16 diggs
        fokov on 2008-06-21 22:41:40
        Nothing. They are just mad because they dont' have the money nor the skill to invest and make money. That's why they want more of your money for their health care because they are too lazy to get a job or get educated. Fucking socialists.
      • 13 diggs
        0nslaught on 2008-06-21 23:39:50
        "Why you’re always broke: 40% of your money goes to taxes"
        http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/10/11/why-you ...

        CBS News: Pentagon Loses Trillions of Dollars
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlnQTcLHaMM

        Not wanting the government to take about half of your income as it squanders trillions of dollars is not wrong.
      • 9 diggs
        sanman on 2008-06-22 03:46:06
        "Why is there something wrong with wanting to keep the money I earn?"

        foxfire, it's because the socialists have a saying -- "what's mine is mine, but what's yours we share"
    • -7 diggs
      br0ck on 2008-06-22 01:16:51
      Are you really profiting more than $500,000 (or 250k if single) from the sale of your house this year? That's how much a couple can earn on a home sale before capital gains tax kicks in as long as you've lived there more than 2 years. Also, you have to be making more than $250,000 per year for the proposed capital gains changes to affect you. http://www.doityourself.com/stry/capitalgainstax
      • 1 diggs
        Dragular on 2008-06-22 05:38:14
        What if I did? Am I less of a person for making more than you now? Conservative radio has a bad habit of calling this class warfare but let's call it what it is: jealousy.
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    junkwheel on 2008-06-21 20:16:05
    More of a change candidate than anybody else by a million miles.
    • 7 diggs
      an0nymous on 2008-06-21 20:24:52
      As little as that means.
    • 12 diggs
      lexington86 on 2008-06-21 20:32:18
      Perhaps you should take an objective look at Dr. Ron Paul...?
      • 7 diggs
        caferrell on 2008-06-21 21:35:30
        Dr. Paul is a remarkable man. After twenty years in Washington he is still uncorrupted. His vision of freedom has awakened a new generation and change may come, BUT we have to get out of the two party paradigm. The game is rigged.

        Dr. Paul is not running, so we all need to vote Libertarian. Enough votes and we can perhaps break through the enslaving and false, two party dichotomy
      • 1 diggs
        jgtg32a on 2008-06-22 03:58:21
        @Syphon8

        I didn't like him at first because I have a natural distrust of people who speak energetically, sounds weird but its a blessing.

        He's a bit crazy but I like most of what he says.
        Maybe you should think long and hard about what you actually believe in.
  • 66 diggs
    lexington86 on 2008-06-21 20:31:52
    Anyone who thinks Obama represents change is living in a dream world, and stories like this are pretty clear evidence.


 
 
 

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